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City Commisisoner staff responds to YPP
So I should preface this by saying that for those of us who actually do or have done voter registration and electoral work in the city, there are in fact some very helpful staff over at City Hall and on Deleware Ave. One of them I would even go so far as to say, is the author of this letter published in the Daily News today:
Letters: WHO OWES WHO WHAT ON ELECTION INFO, Philadelphia Daily News
ONCE again, the Daily News editorial board ("It's the Democracy, Dudes," Aug. 4) delves into the pointless and mundane issue of Internet election results.
First, some of those who want this info for free are opportunists who will repackage it and resell it to candidates who are too lazy to do the research themselves, and don't want to deal with the ward leader electoral process.
Don't take cheap shots at the city commissioners while charging taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars to run voting ads in your paper for the benefit of the citizens. Yet you want the election results distributed free. Run the election ads free, as a public service for the benefit of the city taxpayers who otherwise would foot the bill.
Second, do the media truly believe that the lives of Philadelphians are so dreary that they have nothing better to do but sit at a computer on election night for hours to view election results?
The media, candidates, political opportunists and maybe some political junkies would be the only ones viewing these results. Most normal people watch the late news or wait until the next morning and read the paper over coffee, or on their way to work, to find out what happened on election night.
Third, is this issue really a distraction for the failures of city government, while children are dying at the hands of DHS? The school system produces illiterates. Murder and mayhem run rampant. Drugs flow in and out of the city like a sieve. Vacant buildings burn. Potholes appear and expand. Section 8 housing still destroys neighborhoods.
Scam artists scam and swindle. Foreclosures leave families on the street. Gas and food prices increase. Utilities shake us down for more of our money. Oh, and let us not forget Mayor Nutter, wanting to institute a new fee for trash pickup. Is that why we pay some of the highest taxes in the country already, just for basic services? Yet, everyone believes that Internet access to election results is a top priority.
Once upon a time, intelligent, hardworking reporters, politicians, and consultants knew where and how they could access election results, campaign expense reports and any other public documents in our inventory.
Timothy Dowling, Philadelphia
Editor's note: Mr. Dowling works in the city commissioners' office, but these are his personal opinions.
Even nice guys can be wrong...and more than wrong, I think this letter shows how skewed the culture of the City Commissioner's office is. Whether you think it is dreary, or dorky, every citizen--even those who are not "reporters, politicians, and consultants"-- deserve access to public records. It'd be one thing if the Commissioner's office did not already have a system in place to offer access to election results, but it does, and the city is excluding (or charging) some, and not other members of the public; therein lies the problem.
I can't wait for these election results to be made public.
More importantly, I hope this is a wake-up call to Mayor Nutter, who has publicly supported the public's access to voting records, and to Council that we need:
a) much more scrutiny on the current Commissioner's office, especially in this critical election year to make sure that all staff there are focused on making voting as easy as possible and are being as creative as possible to do so and
b) that it is well past time to change the City Charter to disband the Commissioner's office altogether and replace it with an administrative department helmed by an appointed chief (similar to the OIG) with only civil-service staff.
After all, Mr Dowling is correct to name the failure city government when it comes to DHS,the schools and violence. (although Section 8? Really Tim?) But 30% and below municipal voter turnout won't solve these problems. Local turnout is a tough nut to crack of course, but it's not helped by an elections staff that seems opposed to doing anything differently, or more openly than it has in the past.
And of course the City Commissioner's office, as chartered, is charged with working to increase turnout. Is that a distraction too Mr. Dowling? I think figuring out how to use the office you work for to elect leaders who can solve the problems you mention and reverse the failure rate of government is pretty on point.











Response to Letter to Daily News
If some people want to repackage the election results, so be it. Isn't what the newspapers are doing repackaging the results in the sense that they are publishing the data in different formats and context and selling the results via people who pay for the newspapers? Why should repackaging the results and reselling it be seen as a bad thing if people are willing to pay for it. People often pay for repackaged public data, such as census data. Some others may want to do free web mashups of the data and place the data on maps. Why should someone have to deal with a ward leader to help get the data or results?
In the sense of keeping the editorial and advertising sides of the press separate and with the poor financial state of newspapers, I do not see the newspapers giving up this source of revenue.
I do not see why it matters who would view the results, be they normal people, abnormal people, political opportunists or axe murderers.
The last time I checked, the City Commissioners were not charged with dealing with the issues of scam artists, gas prices, food prices, utilities, trash pickup, or taxes. Also, I do not know if anyone is saying to deal with internet access of election results at the expense of ignoring other important issues.
Once upon a time the internet did not exist and public information was hard to access and tightly controlled by those in power. That time has passed us by.
Paging Stan Shapiro
Great post. But, presumably because it is still a county function, the Commissioner's office doesn't even seem to appear in the City Charter.
Does anyone know what changing the office would take? A Charter change? A state bill? A Constitutional ammendment?
A Merger of City and County Offices
A late 1967 Supreme Court decision--in the case of Arlen Specter refusing to resign as District Attorney in order to run against incumbent Mayor James Tate--established that the country offices were now covered by the city charter.
Therefore the city has juridisction over them.
In terms of the issue of the openness of election results, an ordinance of City Council should suffice.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
This one still sticks
Who are the political opportunists in this quote exactly? People who want to double check that the results they saw posted at their polling place match the official results? People who want to get detailed access to the election results they paid for as taxpayers? People who don't understand why voters in Chester County can access information about how the election in their neighborhood went while voters in Philadelphia County can't?
Or is it "opportunistic" for a generation of D.I.Y. election analysts to take a swing at possibly helping aspiring candidates make more educated choices about when and how to run for office? Is that the whole idea? Reduce ease of access so as to reduce participation? "Leave elections for the professionals, never you regular voters and community activists worry your pretty little heads about the electoral process, now. We have the whole business of running government worked out for you so just lie back and let us 'pros' run your 'democracy' for you." How very reassuring.
This quote runs 180 degrees from the stated purpose of the City Commissioner's office in so many ways its simply silly.
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.