FUMO INDICTED

Everyone knew this was coming, Fumo was indicted this morning. You can read about the charges here.

Nothing disgusts me more than breaches of the public trust. I know I have indicated all the good the Senator has done, but that was to illustrate (1) the large shoes the next 1st District Senator will have to fill; (2) the positive effects his career has had on many Philadelphians; and (3) no other Philadelphia legislator brought as much to Philadelphia as Fumo. These are clear.

Unfortunately, despite all of the good, the law and public trust may have been violated. Does this tarnish everything?

We will have to keep our eyes open during this trial as I am sure it will be interesting, educational and show great lawyering on both sides.

145 counts in the

145 counts in the indictment.

And yes, if found guilty, it tarnishes everything.

It's a shame, really. As you said, he has accomplished some great things. If he would have remained on the high road, he could have gone down in history as one of the greatest politicians in PA history, which is saying a lot.

Why Fumo is Being Indicted

Much of Fumo's tragedy will be that his own sort of arrogance (Um, do you know I am in Mensa? Have I mentioned I am in Mensa? No, seriously, I am in Mensa.) not withstanding- he is a brilliant guy, who does generally have the interests of Philly in mind.

He is not perfect- ie, he and Dwight Evans killed Philly's predatory lending law, his staff wrote the Casino bill, he is in bed with the NRA, etc.

But, why he is being indicted is pretty much, at least to me, is that he is a political boss from another era. I don't want to psychoanalyze this too much, but to my mind, he sees the money he has brought in to Philly, and so, it wouldn't even cross his mind to take some for himself.

But, this is the key: I don't think it is greed, at all. The man is worth tens of millions of dollars. Does it really matter to him if he uses an SUV from Philly, or he rents one out-of-pocket? I can't see that. What I think this shows is that to him, whatever he was doing, whereever he was, be it deal-making in Harrisburg or sipping cocktails on Martha's Vineyard, he was (to him) important enough that "petty details" like spending money that he shouldn't have spent just didn't matter to him. He was the all-powerful boss man, you think he cares about silly little things like that?

The trouble for Sen. Fumo is that, well, when you act like that, you might be violating quite a few laws.

Interesting observation.

Interesting observation.

I think you're right

Dan,

I think you're correct in what you said. Fumo is very, very wealthy. I don't think anything will ever come out that he took a dime he shouldn't have. Rather, he's always working at his political game, and quite frankly, for his district. In the process, there may have been some sloppy details. Should this deserve more than a slap on the wrist? Up to a jury.

dara: If you read the indictment you'll find

the government is alleging more than "sloppy details." Essentially, the feds charge Fumo used Citizens Alliance as his personal piggy bank and some of his Senate staff as personal servants.

Gar

I dont mean to minimize what he did at all, because if this is all true, he deserves to go to jail.

I more mean his mindset, like, eh, I am a big deal, this is all mine. But, I don't think it comes from greed is my point. I am talking about why, not what.

Theft. Nothing less.

Citizens Alliance allegedly paid $27,000 for a bulldozer that he used to clear land on his Harrisburg farm, then CA allegedly paid $16,000 to fix said bulldozer when in it broke down. He allegedly used senate staffers on senate time, being PAID BY US to do such things as clean his house, paint his dock at the beach in NJ and powerwash his deck in Philadelphia.

Whether it comes from greed or a sense of entitlement matters not even a little bit. What does matter is that, if the charges are true (and those are by no means the most troubling charges), he has defrauded CA and the taxpayers of Pennsylvania. Plain and simply, if true, he has stolen money from you and me to improve his already rich lifestyle. I don't care what the root causes are.

By the way, here's a familiar tune. If you know the words sing along. From the story on Philly.com by John Shiffman and Emilie Lounsberry: "Fumo, who has served in the Senate for 29 years, has vowed to fight the charges and called them politically inspired by the Bush administration."

Of course! I should have known this was a Bush hatchet job, duh!

I support Michael Nutter for Mayor

Hey, no question

If he did what is alleged, he will end up in jail. I just think it is interesting thinking about why an insanely rich person would even need to do that.

Some of the most insanely

Some of the most insanely rich are also the ones that want to spend so little of their money as well.

It could always come down to "Why did you do it?" - "Because I can."

I almost never agree with

I almost never agree with you, but you have it spot on.

We'll see

Okay, well let's see. Maybe the Fed's are right? Or maybe they're justifying why they spent $6 Million over four years on this investigation. Wouldn't it be odd if they spent more on the investigation than their alleging was defrauded? And what if there is no conviction, can we indict the feds for fraud? (just kidding, of course)

No it wouldn't be odd.

No it wouldn't be odd. Would it be odd to call the cops because someone robbed me of $300, even though the salary and processing and stuff costs more than the $300 I lost?

Part of it is deterrence. Unfortunately, much of humanity obeys laws not because they feel it is right, but from fear of repercussions.

Media

When Mariano was charged it was the top story on every news station. The Fumo indictment is the fourth story on the 11:00 news. What does that tell you?? Weak Indictment. Nobody really cares. The thought of Fumo not able to represent us has everyone thinking.

Really...

As a realist, do you think other politicians are any better? At least Fumo delivers. Also, whatever happened to inocent until proven guilty???? He will be aquitted...

What if Fumo were Republican?

Over the past few years many progressive Dems have called for the resignation of many Republican electeds and appointees, even when there is not illegal activity. Whether Fumo is found guilty or not certainly matters but he is clearly a corrupt politician and few are arguing that he is not. He has delivered many things sure (many of which are weakening Philadelphia like casinos and resistence to gun control), but he has done so due to his corruption not in spite of it. This idea that somehow if he just didn't do bad things he would be great misses the point, what he has accomplished is a result of undemocratic, non-transparent and corrupt practices. Progessive Dems. should be standing up and renouncing him (should have happened long before we got an indictment announced) for how he governs which rarely has strengthened the democratic character of our city or state. Right now we need what we always need -- principled leadership that puts trust in the people not not leaders that exploit our fears and our resources.

Well, if he was Republican,

Well, if he was Republican, he couldn't blame it on the Bush white house being after him. ;)

Ethics

You guys like to argue that the ends don't justify the means...well, the means don't justify the ends. You can have the most principled person in the world, but if they can't get anything done, they're useless (i.e. Babette Josephs). So, government, is probably a bit like lawmaking. To make it work and get it done, means an ability to compromise while keeping an eye on the target.

People that see only black and white are usually naive.

Bad argument. We don't only

Bad argument. We don't only have two choices of "honest and ineffectual" and "corrupt but productive".

I would like to think we can expect "honest and productive".

there it is

I am actually arguing that neither the means (corruption)nor the ends (casinos and a whole bunch of other bad public policy) are justified (and Josephs, like all other PHiladelphia delegation members in 2004 voted for Act 71). I am glad to have the naive label thrown around on a politics site. Grassroots organizing and movement building change the rules of the game so that new policy decisions can emerge.

Here is an example from my background as an organizer. The Boston Red Sox convinced the MA Legislature, the Mayor of Boston and the Governor that historic Fenway Park could not be renovated and that government should take 25 acres of eminent domain to build a new stadium, the government also threw in $313 Million in public money just to help them out. It took a few years of organizing on the neighborhood, city and state level and a lot of work but in the end the new "done deal" stadium was shelved and plans we developed to renovate the Park moved ahead. The team won the World Series (talk about naive), there was no eminent domain or corporate subsidies and the community could advance its planning for a sustainable community. It wasn't perfect or easy but I am proud that leaders in the effort never believed those that called them naive or that the new stadium was a "done deal."

Many people on this site have been involved in elections that were "unwinnable" and it was often because they worked with principled candidates who are now combining justifiable means and justifiable ends. Progressives who don't challenge corruption will find that they have little support for their policy prescriptions in years to come.

Working With People Instead of Against

Dara, you make a good point about working together and comprise to bring about results. 15-20 years ago it may have been "popular" to practice wedge politics to prove that your are a loyal democrat. Today we nedd more than just being on the left side of the right issues. We need elected officials with an ability to work together to bring about change which transfers into real life benefits to people. More dedicated school dollars, working to bring about strong anti crime and hand gun legislation. Claiming you annoy, aggitate and frustrate republicans in defense of your public service record, loses sight of the target!

Larry

I agree with that, Larry.

I agree with that, Larry. Honestly, the problems of today need solutions and wedge style leaders really have no place in government. It is one thing to have principles and stand by them, but and entirely different thing to be ineffective otherwise.

Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!

In a perfect world honest

In a perfect world honest and productive. I'll take productive.

Because you can't have both?

Because you can't have both?

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