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"I want you to take three deep breaths"
Sometimes when I was a kid, and I was really pissed off, I looked suspiciously like that kid on the right. (That kid is pretty cute, and looks like he would grow up to be a real catch, ladies.)
You know how it is when you know you are right, and the world is aggrieving you… No, seriously, you know how it is, as long as you have been reading this site this week, as we have had one pissing match after another.
When I looked strangely like that handsome kid to the right, my mom would take me aside, and, before she would listen to my particular grievances, she would say “first, just humor me, and take three deep breaths.” What do you know, once in a while I would listen to her, and voila!, I would sort of calm down. If I could say anything to all of my commenting friends, it is, “just humor me, and take three deep breaths.” There has been, as Mike said, some distressing back and forth the past couple days, that is bringing us away from what the site is about: organizing progressives to push Philadelphia towards progressive policies.
This site exists so that young progressives (and our older friends in arms) can have a central place to network, flesh out policies, get to know each other and push Philadelphia toward a more progressive place. I know we get a lot of attention these days, especially as election season is here. And, it makes sense that when you have politically minded people, you have passions over elections. In fact, it is strikingly similar to what happened on national blogs in 2003 in battles between supporters of Wesley Clark and Howard Dean. And now, because there are tens of thousands of readers a week- politicians actively write to us, and ask us for our support. We have Fattah introducing his economic plan on here, Dwight Evans directly appealing to us on web chats, and Council after Council candidate trying to get our attention. It’s a cool position to be in, right? Feeling that we are being paid attention to in political races?
But here is the bottom line: This site is about organizing people and creating a spot for a lot of people- including those who don’t particularly feel comfortable jumping into the gauntlet that we sometimes devolve into. Those, generally, are the people who I really want to attract to this site- because when we get those people on here participating, then we become really powerful.
It is not always about purely electing people- even if it crosses over to that a lot. And it is not about winning through scorched earth arguments that make less people likely to write. So, when you use vitriol to attack another reader on this site or a candidate (I am as guilty as anyone), you are hurting the mission of our site, and are going to come afoul of me.
The basic rule is this: Don’t say anything to someone online that you wouldn’t say off. And understand that YPP isn’t here to serve anyone’s pissing contests. We want more progressive people checking in, not less. So, please, everyone, take three deep breaths. We all want the same thing here.


I apologize
Looking at a little screaming Dan is scary enough to cow me.
I certainly apologize for participating in pissing matches here.
When I first came to YPP, I was really excited to talk about things that I thought about all on my own all the time. I also was really attracted to a venue for discussion that did not have any baggage re: age. Meaning, no one told me to shut up just because I was young.
I too have heard a lot of people--smart and knowledgeable people--who read this blog every day tell me they will never write because they can't handle the harsh criticism that will come from commenters.
That's sad and its not representative of the kind of community I want to be a part of. I will work harder to be civil, polite, thoughtful and careful about what I say here. I will also continue to present my viewpoint and the values and ideas that inform it, but in a respectful way.
I also apologize for any
I also apologize for any posts that have gotten too heated. I do not try to "drive people out of a conversation". Being replied/quoted out of context or incorrectly tends to be one of the few short fuses I have and I lose patience. Sometimes it is hard enough trying to discuss complex topics via text (even though other times it helps because you can post hard data) to then have to get circular and restate issues already stated to try to reclarify. I think many of us lose patience on repetition.
As always I will try to work on my flaws.
I have no idea
what you idiots are talking about.
this is pretty funny
though I bet some people were ticked when they read it. It's hard to make a joke on-line. Tone gets lost.
I chuckled, though. I was tempted to make the same joke.
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progressives don't
want to hurt each others feelings.
"I honestly haven't made my mind up about who I want to vote for for Mayor yet."
Hey, I never said I didn't
Hey, I never said I didn't want to hurt other's feelings. I just said I didn't want to drive them out of the conversation. ;)
It makes me sad to think
It makes me sad to think that it has come to pictures of Dan screaming to calm Ray down. But, I think it had to be done.
Dan--what was going on in that picture. I imagine someone took away a transformer or something. That, along with Voltron (lions, not the cars)were the only things to really piss me off as a kid. For you old guys, Transformers rocked!
Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!
Yes, I too will strive to be
Yes, I too will strive to be more respectful.
Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!
Remember
...I believe you know my older brother.
Actually, aside from sparing
Actually, aside from sparing here on YPP, I haven't met him. But, considering his love for left wing dictators, I could only imagine why you were screaming. Just kidding of course--we don't do international stuff here.
Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!
Don't make me come over there...
and give you the noogie treatment Dan received when he registered his mild displeasure at something or another (as he is doing in the picture). And, I might have to take your dolls and decapitate them, so watch it, buster.
And Chavez will kick your ass. With one arm tied behind his back. Twice.
I work for Damon K. Roberts in his run for City Council. Unless otherwise stated this and every comment by myself is the opinion of myself, and not of Damon or any other candidate, organization, committee, etc.
I only decapitated for good
I would sometimes decapitate my younger sisters' Barbies but only to shampoo them more easily.
Poor, poor Ken.
Poor, poor Ken.
Ray--did you make a neckace
Ray--did you make a neckace of Barbie heads and walk around your house with a machete or something?
Supporting Michael Nutter in 2007!
it wasn't silence of the lambs...
just a full service beauty salon in the sink in our basement. you could only play with the Barbie Dream kitchen in an imaginary ocean front house for so long...
is this too much information?
What's interesting about it
I think there's a lot of projection going on -- the sort of "you're only saying that because you must support Candidate [X], and so you're biased!" -- when I think a lot of people here are still undecided between a few candidates. They attribute bad faith to others while demonstrating it themselves.
Well put
Couldn't have said it better
yes, it will chill out...
...around here after May, no doubt.
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This Thursday
Would you all like me to come up with something to introduce in council this Thursday to unify and unite you all again on the same page? Nah.
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Well ..
Well ..
Did you vote to have the Iraq statement on the ballot as a charter change? ;)
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/16762663.htm
Why would you think this should even remotely be related to the Charter?
Yep
Sadly, we do not have an option of a non-binding referendum. The legislature would have to grant us that right. So, the only way to have something voted on by the voters city wide, is to do it as a charter change. The legislature, for some reason, has been reluctant to give us this option.
It may juice turnout, however.
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So you think it is worth
So you think it is worth turning the Charter into a political message board?
No
I would bet my no vote would encourage my erstwhile opponents to light me up as being for the war, which I am strongly against. It's hard to explain yourself clearly in an election cycle. Other candidates would immediately us it.
I did not introduce the resolution or the bill, but was not voting against either.
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Councilman Kenney
I heard you on WHYY talking up free TV air time on local stations for the mayoral candidates.
How would you suggest people can help with that effort?
I just don't understand, why
I just don't understand, why is this on the ballot at all. It is a big waste of time. I too am against the war, but it just doesn't seem okay to spend the money to make a statement that has no binding effect whatsoever and that is pretty much for self gratification. Yes, Philadelphia joins the other 66% of the population wanting an end to the war.
I understand the principle, but I just can't imagine this--council could have just passed a non-binding resolution, like when they honor so and so.
It isn't even a money issue.
It isn't even a money issue. The Home Rule Charter is a document the details how we govern ourselves. It is not a medium to "send messages". The sanctity of the document is being violated for political issues.
And the legislature does not ban methods to send a message. I believe the Post Office delivers to the White House.
I understand Councilman Kenney's point about how if he voted no, politically he would risk being chastised for it and that is what makes me sad. First, that Janine Blackwell would even propose such a bill and second, no one in Council will stand up to it (the republican council doesn't count). Where is the integrity of Council? I assume Councilpeople take an oath when elected. Is there anything in the oath about upholding the charter or such ideals?
Also, what precedent does this set? Do we start sending messages in our Charter to the White House about Gay Marriage? This is the equivalent of adding an amendment to the US Constitution to send a message to the UN.
Also, to be specific, why is it City Council's job to send a message to the White House? We do not elect Council to deal with National issues. That is what our Congressmen and Senators are for.
I honestly feel Council is over stepping their bounds and taking advantage of a population that will not vote against such a message. Does anyone honestly believe that a 75% democrat city will vote no to this?
I have zero problems with
I have zero problems with Council sending messages, nor letting voters send messages. A lot of the big pushback against the Patriot Act, for example, was the fact that local municipalities, such as Philly, started saying they stood opposed to it.
Do the extent of putting in
Do the extent of putting in the City Charter?
It is not a big deal to me-
It is not a big deal to me- its not the Constitution. But, anyway, then you are just arguing about the method, not the idea of what they are trying to do.
No, I find fault with
No, I find fault with both.
And I would assume you would find fault with the City "sending a message" if it wasn't a message you agreed with. What if the role was reversed and Philly was a significantly religious city and City Council voted to put in the charter to "Send a message" to the White house that gay marriage should be banned? You wouldn't find issue with it?
And no, the City Charter is not THE constitution, but it inherently is only two steps removed. US Constitution. PA Constitution then City Charter.
Janine Blackwell needs to stop trying to use the Charter as a marker board. She does this frequently. Fortunately Council seems to stand up to her sometimes.
In all honesty, I don't elect my city officials to handle national issues. They need to keep their eye on the ball. If they want to deal with national issues, run for the appropriate post or fight with the current federal reps in power.
Yeah, I disagree. I have no
Yeah, I disagree. I have no problem with Council sending messages, like I said above.
Ok, so the second point.
Ok, so the second point. You think the Charter is the appropriate place to do that?
Why don't they just put a letter in the Washington Post and have all Council sign it?
Or, even better, just pass a
Or, even better, just pass a resolution. I just do not see the point.
If I recall, the reasoning
If I recall, the reasoning is that they blame PA for not allowing Philly to do resolutions. So in exchange Philly does it in the Charter.
I just do not care nor think
I just do not care nor think it is a big deal at all.
HA!
HA!
Here's one thing
If I'm reading the state campaign finance law correctly, does a group of individuals which spends more than $250 to host a website in order to influence a website constitute a political committee?
If so (and I think it is), then the state and city needs a "media exception" like that which exists under federal law -- costs which go towards news, commentary and editorial in any news medium (tv, radio, internet, print) don't count as expenditures or contributions for any purpose.
Want me to draft it?