- who would like to see Verizon offer cable TV in Phila?
- Council Committee Passed the Freeze
- Carol Campbell Passes Away
- My first trip to the public library
- Fight digital exclusion
- What if half of Philadelphia didn't have roads?
- You know, let's not even worry about the City Commissioners office messing up voter registration processing
- Bold ideas to fix the budget
- Mayor Nutter's Town Hall Meeting Schedule
- City Releases Library Information to City Council
Is this what agenda setting looks like?
I'm constantly amused by how compliant we who watch Philadelphia politics, or who are affected by them, are. Though the state of the East Market Street corridor may have been on some of our minds, grand redevelopment plans have hardly been a topic du jour.
Which is a shame, because all you have to do is pick up a trade journal or the Financial Times to know that street-style mall shopping is hot. Retail developers across the country are building urban streetscape-style malls like the Grove in LA or, much closer to home, big box retailers are building street-level stores in places like Ardmore's Suburban Square and that weird little complex in Marlton, NJ. But in Philly, we don't get around to seriously talking about improving the Gallery until Foxwoods gets in the hen house.
I am speaking in broad terms, but if we had left the majority of stores intact but knocked out the middle of the Gallery and made the main corridor an actual city street, thrown up a new Gap, an Abercrombie, a Victoria's Secret, American Eagle, added a movie theater, a Barnes and Noble, and swapped out the Kmart with a Target, we could have been cashing in years ago. Seriously, check out the Grove in LA's Fairfax section, a beautiful new-style outdoor shopping mall that is populated by people of all races and located next to a historic farmer's market. They even have an old-time trolley that runs the length of the two-block long mall. Things all possible here.
This kind of redevelopment does not require a casino to spur it on. This is what large retailers want to do.
I am personally ambivalent about massive corporate retail expansion (though it seems to have worked ok for Walnut Street). I know it's weird to suggest mall development and fake streets for a real and time-worn East Coast city (even though we can't even get a Market Street entrance to Trader Joe's, but that's a story to tell another time). But if we had wanted to go that route, we could have already done it without involving a life-sucking, revenue-eating, inward-facing casino. Cause let's be clear, a casino in Center City is gonna be big-box retail and fake streets AND slot machines too!
So talk all you want about how Foxwoods could make the Gallery site work, but let's get real in acknowledging that that is beside the point.
If we want an agenda for a sustainable and just city, let's set it via our elected leaders.
Instead of bending over backwards to justify what is essentially capitulation to the Governor and big-money casino owners. At the expense of neighborhoods (from Chinatown to Society Hill to Wash West to the newly developed "Loft District"). At the expense of shoppers who rely on Center City stores (because it's hard to get to any others). At the expense of existing restaurant and business owners. And at the expense of sustainable, walkable Center City for tourists and residents alike.
Agenda-setting and taking stock of our assets is not a strength of our city. But it should be. So let's stop buying bridges and magic beans from any huckster who comes along and get with the program.
Oh and one last thing. Mayor Nutter: You've yet to lay out your grand plan to change the city (no Liberty One or NTI or Avenue of the Arts) as Mayor. Perhaps your biggest contribution will be to rid the city of corruption in government. That'd be great and more than enough. But a word of advice: backing up the Guv (who has had a years-long obsession with gaming--who can forget the river boat casinos of yore) on this new quest to plop a casino in the middle of Center City is not exactly hitting the anti-corruption notes you may want to sound. No matter how you play it, casinos are kind of unseemly, and putting one in our downtown is all too desperate and Detroit when we're trying so hard to be like Seattle or Montreal or somewhere cool.
And P.S. I shop at the current Gallery Old Navy and don't really want it to go away. There I said it. Full disclosure.











I think you're on the right track, Ray
Well, outside of your questionable taste in clothing. The question shouldn't be whether, even with the rather unlikely possibility of a well-designed casino development integrated with street-style mall shopping, Market East might be a better location for a casino than some other less desirable location. As you say, the question should be what is an "agenda for a sustainable and just city." The decision as to whether a casino should be located at Market East shouldn't be based on whether it is a better location than some other location, but whether having a casino in this city is an integral part of a comprehensive vision for what the residents of this city need over the next five, twenty five, fifty years.
Where I would differ with you is whether that agenda should be set via our elected leaders. I think the agenda should be set through a comprehensive plan developed over an extended period of time - and the agenda should be set by a reasonable set of stakeholders. Models for this type of city planning exist, are are being implemented in a number of communities. In such a model, planners and government officials don't develop a plan and then ask for input. In such a model, planners and government officials function as informed collaborators alongside representatives of a wide variety of community groups who in turn obtain input from a wide variety of citizens through a well-established process of community meetings and information sharing sessions. A top-down methodology, whereby elected leaders and planners with their studies in hand dictate what the objectives should be is an antiquated model, and will inevitably result an end product that reflects a disproportionate influence of moneyed interests. I recently participated in a planning process, on a much smaller scale, conducted to plan a "wash station" at Weaver's Way Urban Farm. The stakeholders walked into that planning process with very a very divergent set of desired outcomes, and all walked away with a feeling of satisfaction and investment in the end product. This is not rocket science, but an approach based on the belief that consensus-building as an effective tool for planning projects.
Is a street-style mall at the top of this City's development priorities? Would that be the best use of that section of the city? I don't think so. For one thing, such a mall would likely result with high-end retail outlets; the city already has such shopping and people who do use The Gallery go their because they can't afford to shop in such stores. But perhaps a significant majority of Philadelphians would like to see such a mall developed at Market EAst. The problem is that, unfortunately, our mayor is seems to be content with setting planning priorities without investing in a process of finding out what citizens' priorities are.
Yeah you are right
I do think a mall at a major transit hub is ultimately a service to city residents who don't drive. And I think The Gallery could be a better mall more comparable to Cherry Hill than to KOP--just a mall with all the stores the kids like to shop at. That doesn't mean Ubiq or Tiffany's Bakery or Pay/Half or Sneaker Villa have to go anywhere at all--they make the Gallery cool--but having a better range of stores--which the Gallery used to have--would be nice.
But yeah, I totally agree that this is just one of many things the city needs and it seems like we have a planing process that doesn't rank priorities well and little opportunity for citizens to help steer the course truer.
I'm right about the questionable taste in clothing, too, Ray
I mean, Old Navy?
you do realise there ARE
you do realise there ARE people who may be on the internet that can't afford more than Old Navy's prices right? I mean aren't we as progressives supposed to realise and embrace that?
Re: Old Navy
Actually, by my standards Old Navy is not that cheap. I'm not talking high end, here, Salvation Army and Khols are more my speed. And I take it you haven't seen how Ray dresses?
sarcasm
We talk to each other sarcastically a lot on here. If you don't read YPP regularly (I have heard, though can't confirm, that is possible), you might not get that. But, before dropping bombs on people, try to keep that in mind.
Although, now that I think about it, DE is a real jerk. So, for him, I make an exception.
Old Navy
It is cheap, but I think D.E. is just engaged in gentle ribbing. Great for little kids' clothes, too.
Anybody got the details on how Foxwoods plans to incorporate itself into the Gallery site? I thought I'd read something saying they were going to go into a space "above" the Gallery, whatever that means.
A better local model for an urban pedestrian open-air shopping mall may be Suburban Square in Ardmore. They've got New Urbanist style off-main-street parking (less of an issue for Market Street), it's right by the R5 station, and they've got great stuff: an Apple store, a Macy's, a Trader Joe's, a Farmers' Market, Talbots (where I don't shop, by the way), restaurants, coffee shops, etc. And you get out of your car / off the train or bus and walk from shop to shop.
Old Navy would be history
At least according to the DN:
The Gallery
I'm basically a white yuppie if you take it from the strict definition of young urban professional, though I make crap money and live in a crappy apartment in an awesome neighborhood (chinatown). I shop at the Gallery and really don't want it to go away either. Sorry, I'm too time and money poor to afford to go miles out of my way to king of prussia.
Real plans are needed
The Gallery despite some struggles is pretty good at serving a lot of basic interests for folks in the neighborhoods who come in on SEPTA to shop and daily commuters who get utilitarian shopping done as they breeze through on their way home from work. I'm not a Gallery hater either but it does have consistent problems with turnover and vacancies.
A real sustainable solution for the Gallery would hold onto the traffic it has now and build upon it with more and a wider range of stores.
Could a casino and more generous sprinkling of more mid and higher level or Boursey-tourist oriented stores be incorporated into the mix, while still holding onto the serving all the SEPTA shoppers it serves now? Hopefully but its a tough ballance and the casino is the toughest part.
I'm not that enthused about framing this as a City Blue, Big K, Burlington Coat Factory vs. any more upscale retail at all argument. Not constructive. A thriving Market East will hit every end of the market well and motivate transit oriented development across the city. Besides I'm more of a Ross, Burlington Coat Factory discount rack guy myself, anyhow. Actually the shoes I'm wearing right now JoMar $5 specials.
I'm more concerned about a casino coming on all glitz while killing the kind of utilitarian growth say a Target with mixed income (and that means upscale as well) residential upstairs and some outward facing smaller retail and resaturants that the corridor could really benefit from.
-Sean
MrLuigi, my cat, actually only types half as badly as I do.
Street malls suck
But if we have to have one and a casino to boot (which I neither believe or accept) then, lets agree, our idea of the future Philly is not a world-class city like New York or Paris but a tier or two down...think Cleveland. Fine. If we want to take the low road to development, then I want South St. to be our version of Beale St. 24 hours of booze, ruffians and raunch. In fact, we can make South St. a theme park version of how cool Philadelphia and Manhattan USED to be. Whoa, that's post-modern or something.
Thank you Ray, Helen, and Daniel
for pointing out so quickly all that is so disappointing about the proposal to move Foxwoods to the Gallery.
All that can be said in favor of this idea is that the Gallery is not as bad as the Delaware Riverfront. A casino on a riverfront is just a ridiculous waste of a scare resource. A casino in a vibrant downtown area is not such a waste.
But, and Ray puts his finger on the key issues, why should we settle for not as bad? Why not do some real visionary thinking about Market East in an open, transparent planning process? If a casino fits put it there. And if, as I would strongly suggest, it does not, then don't. We know that Philadelphia can do this kind of planning...we just had a model planning process for the riverfront.
(Idea for a satirical piece I don't have time to write: Looking back from 2032 at the revival of urban planning in Philadelphia we find that the location for the proposed Foxwoods casinio moved from place to place every three to four years. This lead to progressive planning efforts for the waterfront, Market East, Nicetown, the Navy Yard, the Betsy Ross Bridge area and finally the airport. In 2032 the casino had still never been built, but the opposition it stirred as it was shifted from site to site lead to an explosion of creative planning in each of those areas and the economic and cultural revitalization of the city. So by 2032 neighborhood leaders secretly clamored to be the next Foxwoods site, believing that this was the only way to get the city to do serious planning in their neighborhood. Adn that is why Mt. Airy and Overbrook are the leading contenders for the "new" Foxwoods location.")
And, of course, the other key issue is the effect on Chinatown and the racial politics that plays a role in this decision.
One last thought: I could imagine a very upscale, London style casino working at the gallery with no slots but various table games including chemin de fer, which ought to be located at a train station.